Production date updates: Traveler (September 2028), Terra (March 2030)

[joewilk45]

Yep and you have to drive it for four years even if you hate it that's why we have medication

 

[joewilk45]

Reservations aren't orders Ram like scout has a pretty rendering but last time I looked no one is taking actual orders. I think whoever is the first to offer test vehicles and takes orders will do well with the Erev version. But I think the Erev Frenzy dissipates in 3 yrs once batteries allow longer range. The Erev then is desirable to a much smaller market. Why own an Erev if you don't tow or have daily long road trips. So time matters as to who's first but manufacturers know EREV's aren't the long game EV's and advances in batteries are the holy grail.

 

[joewilk45]

Fast charging is coming
https://evchargingstations.com/chargingnews/geely-charging-byd-flash/

 

[Roger 123]

Reservations aren't orders Ram like scout has a pretty rendering but last time I looked no one is taking actual orders. I think whoever is the first to offer test vehicles and takes orders will do well with the Erev version. But I think the Erev Frenzy dissipates in 3 yrs once batteries allow longer range. The Erev then is desirable to a much smaller market. Why own an Erev if you don't tow or have daily long road trips. So time matters as to who's first but manufacturers know EREV's aren't the long game EV's and advances in batteries are the holy grail.

Because in the US we like the thought our cars doing anything. I may get a camper, I may get a boat, I may take that once in a lifetime off road adventure through Colorado and Utah, I may have 4 kids and 3 grandkids and take them all on a cross country road trip, I may need to take 4 co-workers to lunch.

I need to go 0-60 in less than X seconds.

We don’t buy vehicles based on what we need, we buy vehicles based on the what-if’s and right now big vehicles with gas engines satisfy that what-if scenario.

 

[joewilk45]

Many people buy what they can afford and fits their needs that's the majority what you have is a bigger garage with funds to fill it and i applaud your accomplishments. But big gas engines are not the future of the automotive sector that's all I'm saying they will exist for decades but the R&D will be driven by batteries and electric vehicles as well as robots to me it's not intimidating it's exciting to be part of the future with knowledge of the past we get to share and learn at 66 that's exciting

 

[mkennedy009]

I agree, we buy what we can afford and if that means a 7-9 year loan for a truck that can do anything, totally worth it. (said it irony) I think as parents of gen x we failed to teach the value of money. we know it, but failed to pass on the concept to enough kids.
Blame the iPhone upgrade every other year.

 

[joewilk45]

I actually have been blessed to have two daughters who have grasped the value of money and family My oldest took my wife and me to London for a week with my granddaughter for our wedding anniversary and both turned 65 footed the whole nut I said to myself she was watching so some are still carrying on tradition and nice to see them teaching their kids what we taught them good stuff

 

[joewilk45]

Here come good news for scout their range will only get better the longer they delay.
https://carnewschina.com/2026/04/22...in-2026-targeting-600-km-range-in-the-future/

 

[Knownman]

Ugh…wake me up in literally 3 years. In that time I will have leased a Rivian R2. And I bet the majority of those wanting the EREV are those who currently don’t drive an EV. You lose performance, are dependent on gas for nominal trips, and require maintenance compared to EV only. I’ve had my Tesla Model Y Performance for 3 years and absolutely $0 other than in-home charging and charging fees when vacationing. Same wipers, tires, and washer fluid. That’s all an EV really taxes you in upkeep. I tow my personal watercraft, transport my lab, enough legroom for all 5, and other than Elon and having a car that can easily get lost in a crowd, it has been the lowest maintenance, fastest vehicle, easiest and most fun to drive vehicle for me. I reserved the Traveler EV because I want what their prototype shows with the same things I’ve grown to love listed above. But a generator model that’s less quick, less EV range, likely to require maintenance, and now so far out that solid state technology will be the thing, I just don’t know if I can stay interested in an already outdated dream. The reservation $ is out of mind so I’ll just keep it for now in hopes they pivot with the times. But I can’t keep up any excitement with so many advancements that will occur over the next few years while Scout parades around their concept models that are already two years old.

Are youn trying to say that wipers and washer fluid aren't expendables? That Tesla is magical machine for sure!

 

[MannyG20]

I think there are three market/tech trends that are going to work against Scout.

The market shift to EREV: I think this trend is going to be short lived and that the American automakers who are desperate to save their EV business are betting on a short lived power train. China has shown us the answer for mass market adoption - reasonably priced BEV (more on this later). If Scout had made this shift to EREV two years ago and had been able to produce a car by 2026. I would’ve agreed with their decision. But since they don’t start production till 2028, and I assume the model won’t be available till late 2028 or early 2029 that in my opinion is too late for an EREV. I believe by this time we will see the next market trend. - solid state batteries

Solid state batteries: after a decade of unfulfilled promises, it seems that solid state batteries are ready for prime time. It looks like we’ll get a couple of models in 2027, more widespread adoption in 2028 and I believe by 2029/2030 we will have mass market adoption of solid state batteries. This I believe is going to kill the EREVs. At this time scout is gonna have an.EREV that has been on the market for just over a year and technologically it would be obsolete.

affordable BEV: I don’t think it’s quite fair to hold China up as an example of affordability in the EV market due to the subsidies that they receive from the Chinese government. However, this does not change the fact that the Chinese market has wholly embraced EV vehicles because they are affordable, however that affordability came about. I do believe Ford has finally hit on the right path forward with their new EV platform focused on affordability. There will always be people to buy luxury vehicles and maybe those people will decide to buy the scout product but at this point by the time scout is ready to produce a vehicle Ford should have several models available that are affordable to the mass market. I would also believe that Tesla would also have affordable models by that time too, and I think that all of this is gonna push scout to simply be a niche product.

I won’t buy the EREV model, but I will keep Scout on my radar and hopefully they can navigate this uncertain future.

 

[joewilk45]

My hope is the delay has a boomerang effect and Scout gets back to its original mission statement only the delay enables better battery technology allowing 500 miles of range that's my hope. As I to feel the Erev has a short shelf life and mainly commercial use or towing. Ford will have a hybrid version of Bronco and f-150 as well as Erev versions and Ram has an Erev version they claim is ready but no one is taking orders at the moment. To me I got nice Cadillac VISTIQ to drive till 2030 that's when warranty runs out so hopefully by then scout finds its Path and one finds its way to my garage