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After 40 years driving CJ's and Wranglers, I said for years all I wanted was my latest 2012 2-door Wrangler in EV form. If I could have spent $6K to convert it to an EV that got maybe 60-80 miles per charge or more I would have done it. As it was, I had 150K miles on the clutch, had just replaced all the rockers, was probably looking at axle seals soon... I had maintained it really well, but you just never know what's next as far as the drivetrain went. Decided not to wait any longer and sold it for an EV6. I do miss it, but the EV is just stellar - and the whole family can drive it, as opposed to my 6-speed Jeep. I'm 57 and hope to someday see a short-wheelbase, high-riding EV before I leave the planet. Maybe once battery density gets better someone will offer one.
That's why the Jeep Recon is the best option on paper, but they are hard to find! There are a few dealerships who have them on order now.
 

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That's why the Jeep Recon is the best option on paper, but they are hard to find! There are a few dealerships who have them on order now.
I don't think anyone is going to pay $70K+ for that particular vehicle. Would love to test drive one though. I recently test drove an R1S and disliked the ride on every setting. Not only did it feel like it was floating, but when stomping the pedal, it pulled hard to the right as if it was torque steering. I was really surprised. I expected I was going to love the thing, but 15 minutes in it crossed it off the list for good.
 

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I don't think anyone is going to pay $70K+ for that particular vehicle.
Nobody is going pay $70K for a 250 mile range and a less than impressive charging. An even worse Software in the infotainment system. I really wanted to like this Vehicle.
 

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Nobody is going pay $70K for a 250 mile range and a less than impressive charging. An even worse Software in the infotainment system. I really wanted to like this Vehicle.
I really wanted to like it as well. As I said, I'd love to test drive it and see if it drives like a "road-preferred" EV Wrangler, which is kind of my desired use case. I remember when Stellantis announced their STLA Large EV platform, they claimed it would power their "500-mile Ram 1500 REV electric pickup trust and 690-mile Ram 1500 Ramcharger range-extended version."

No one expected 500 miles of range from this platform in a moving brick in the wind, but getting half that in ideal situations at a ridiculous price tag? Sorry. The only way they're going to move these is via mega lease incentives by a captive finance arm. And as you say, the software will likely be the typical nightmare.

Right now, I'm looking at the Hyundai Bolder concept and hoping they release it as an EV. I imagine it will come out with a much more attractive price point if they make it.
 

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Right now, I'm looking at the Hyundai Bolder concept and hoping they release it as an EV. I imagine it will come out with a much more attractive price point if they make it.
The Bolder looked very interesting from a design stand point, if they actually keep that design, i would really consider it. I just don't think the its going to make it as an EV though.
 

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I'm not a Hyundai fan nice seats don't make a good suv. To me they copy they don't inspire. Even Genesis try's to copy Bentley they meet a price point but lack service
 

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I'm not a Hyundai fan nice seats don't make a good suv. To me they copy they don't inspire. Even Genesis try's to copy Bentley they meet a price point but lack service
It's the old Microsoft ballad - "embrace and extend." Copy what works and extend. My EV6 doesn't feel like a Kia. There's sound deadening in all the right places and it drives like a dream. The interior materials beat anything in its class and while I wish they kept up on software updates, I can easily say it's the best car out of the 30 or so I've owned in my 57 years on the planet.

That said, you're right - the dealer network is probably the worst I've dealt with. Luckily there are like five Kia dealers within a ten minute drive. I've crossed out two of them just based on service desk ignorance (haven't had anything go wrong yet). So I've got a few more to test out if gods forbid I have any issues.
 

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I think you're correct in class and price point. I drive a Cadillac VISTIQ love it and I love how they drop off a loaner at my home and pick up for service intervals as we grow older my favorite thing is convenience and good food shared with fun people and of course dogs
 

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Nobody is going pay $70K for a 250 mile range and a less than impressive charging. An even worse Software in the infotainment system. I really wanted to like this Vehicle.
33" A/T tires and construction strong enough to sustain off-road travel will do that for ya'. If you think Scout will be better you may be in for a surprise.

It's one or the other. Low profile flimsy street tires and no off-road ability with 300+ miles of range, or the ability to really use a vehicle as a SUV with less range. Can't have both...
 

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33" A/T tires and construction strong enough to sustain off-road travel will do that for ya'. If you think Scout will be better you may be in for a surprise.

It's one or the other. Low profile flimsy street tires and no off-road ability with 300+ miles of range, or the ability to really use a vehicle as a SUV with less range. Can't have both...
Wasn't the point. Point is with 70K price point you better be closer to 300 miles of range. That 230miles of range(Moab trim) will realistically be closer to 200.

For 70K you better have a great EV experience. And from all the reviews out there the Wagoneer S was not that great.

Scout is offering 350milesof range at 59K. Even if base model is at 300miles of range that is still significantly better price per mileage.

I'm not looking for efficiency. It's an off-road vehicle. I understand this.

I want the Recon to do good and to be an amazing EV, I just don't think it will at that price. Then once again automakers will say look. Nobody wants EVS. When in all honesty they just can't make a good one.
 

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